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Post by Ginger on Jun 2, 2010 22:50:42 GMT -5
Alfred is a ranged specialist, not a melee specialist, so when the chips are down, it's Renn or Kazan who'll need the extra HP (Basil has 110 HP and can heal himself via druidic shapechange). Also, they'll presumably be the ones going toe to toe with the Efreet, while Alfred will be Protected From Evil and thus immune to the Efreet's fire until he attacks it directly. It's not that Zinc doesn't like you. :)
PfE 10' radius works exactly like you wrote. If Alfred stays near Zinc he'll be in the circle. That said, Zinc will glower at him if he deems the situation warrants Alfred being more aggressive to take advantage of the massive bonuses granted to point-blank arrow shots.
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Post by venger on Jun 3, 2010 14:27:22 GMT -5
Alfred should remain outside the circle of protection until he establishes whether or not his non-magical missile fire can hurt an efreet. If he proves completely ineffective, jumping into the PfE 10' radius might be a good idea.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 3, 2010 14:51:30 GMT -5
So is Alfred still considered an asset on loan from Yngvar from a role playing perspective? I think so long as we are on a quest to save the Land of Song Alfred should consider himself Yngvar's representative. Once we have completed the quest and decide what to do next then Alfred will likely be asked to join the party. Regardless I don't know that if affects your role playing. In Kazan's opinion Alfred will always be the backward Northman who is less experienced than the original members of the party. But that shouldn't stop you from getting a share of the treasure/magic or prevent Kazan from aiding him.
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Post by Friedrich on Jun 3, 2010 19:47:02 GMT -5
So is Alfred still considered an asset on loan from Yngvar from a role playing perspective? I think so long as we are on a quest to save the Land of Song Alfred should consider himself Yngvar's representative. Once we have completed the quest and decide what to do next then Alfred will likely be asked to join the party. Regardless I don't know that if affects your role playing. In Kazan's opinion Alfred will always be the backward Northman who is less experienced than the original members of the party. But that shouldn't stop you from getting a share of the treasure/magic or prevent Kazan from aiding him. Thanks! Glad to hear that. 8-)
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Post by Ginger on Jun 3, 2010 20:49:13 GMT -5
Also, keep in mind that my "lawful good, always thinking of the needs of the team first" role-playing is conveniently similar to "ruthlessly maximizing the party's combat power and overall effectiveness."
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 8, 2010 8:23:54 GMT -5
Since I won't be there this weekend here are some thoughts. - Keep the detect traps going and use the Star Gem often.
- Once we get up the shaft Kazan will use Polymorph Self. Hopefully it will last long enough to get us out of here. He can use gargoyle form to ferry people up to the surface. Also he can use gargoyle form to avoid charm/hold person if we run into any clerics.
- Kazan has scrolls of protection from magic and protection from elementals. He also has a scroll with some Fly and Knock spells. Use as needed. If using the protection from magic make sure the shell does not hit a Star Gem.
- Before entering combat with the Efreet, if possible/reasonable, Kazan will use mirror image.
- Make sure everyone has an endure heat or protection from fire up.
- Against level draining undead have Kazan defend and use his shield. That should give him at least a -11 AC not including prayer, poetics or protection spells.
- In melee use +2 spear and +1 dagger. Without prayer or poetics he should have a THAC0 of 7 and 12 respectively.
- Kazan will not lead the way. He will fight to the best of his ability as needed.
Do we play Protection from Demon/Devil/Elemental scrolls the same as the Protection from Evil spell? Once an attack is initiated from within the circle then the creature can reciprocate? The descriptions in the DMG seem to indicate that ranged attacks from within the circle do not void the protection. If this is the case then Kazan could use it with magic missile or Alfred could use it with his bow.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jun 8, 2010 19:46:34 GMT -5
Do we play Protection from Demon/Devil/Elemental scrolls the same as the Protection from Evil spell? Once an attack is initiated from within the circle then the creature can reciprocate? The descriptions in the DMG seem to indicate that ranged attacks from within the circle do not void the protection. If this is the case then Kazan could use it with magic missile or Alfred could use it with his bow. Very interesting. Both of the scroll descriptions explicitly state that those inside can launch missile attacks at will. The demon one contains the prohibition on hedging. I'd say they are similar to but not the same as protection from evil spells. Fire away! Also, I checked my records, and I don't have an elemental type specified for your scroll. I'm ok with determining the elemental type now before you try to use it; after all, you've had it since week 48.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 9, 2010 7:45:05 GMT -5
Yes, we should determine the type of scroll. Of course I am sure the person who wrote this module intended it to help against the Efreeti. Like placing the ring of flying in the tomb of Amun-Re and then needing flying to get up the slimy shaft or get to Munafik. Or giving us a gem of true seeing and then having chockablock secret doors in the next modules.
If it is protection we can use against the Efreeti, then who should have the scroll? I would say Morvan. With a 10' radius Alfred can stand next to him and see if his arrows work. Morvan can get off his magic missiles and lightning bolts.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 9, 2010 9:31:40 GMT -5
Reminder. Some things to do: -have Basil legend lore the book -have Basil legend lore the temple of Seker -check the pit of undead for treasure -read magic on the magic user scroll (later) -smell/sip potions -heal people -talk to the alter?
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jun 9, 2010 18:52:50 GMT -5
Yes, we should determine the type of scroll. Of course I am sure the person who wrote this module intended it to help against the Efreeti. Like placing the ring of flying in the tomb of Amun-Re and then needing flying to get up the slimy shaft or get to Munafik. Or giving us a gem of true seeing and then having chockablock secret doors in the next modules. If it is protection we can use against the Efreeti, then who should have the scroll? I would say Morvan. With a 10' radius Alfred can stand next to him and see if his arrows work. Morvan can get off his magic missiles and lightning bolts. Scroll of Protection from All Elementals
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