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Post by Bolo on Aug 12, 2012 11:19:26 GMT -5
That's a total of 4900GP for the brazier, the orb and the two books. Assuming this is acceptable to the party ... Bolo is okay with this. And in the interest of party cohesion and general goodwill, Bolo even suggests that for these sales, and the other sales of party items that Colby has proposed, we donate the share of the proceeds that would normally go to individuals, toward Colby's portion of Colby's training costs. Also, Bolo shows Friedrich a document he recently had written by a scribe: www.mit.edu/~dfm/Friedrichdeclaration.pdfHe says that if Friedrich wins his fight against Umad, and Bolo wins 3000gp on his bet, then if Friedrich signs the document, Bolo will use his 3000gp winnings to pay off 60% of Fenhold's debt. Will Friedrich sign?
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Post by Ginger on Aug 12, 2012 11:22:25 GMT -5
I love the last provision. Nice work.
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Post by Ginger on Aug 12, 2012 11:32:04 GMT -5
Colby will trade with Azul-azrad. He'll give RRR and RotIS for Hovering Skull, Sepia Snake Sigil, Sandstorm and Salaphir's Searing Serpent. 12 Inks to write, all in new books.
Books - 1125 2 clay ostracons 1 Traveling Spellbooks
He'll write Memory and Polymorph Other from the new scroll into one of the heavy, old books. 7 more inks, 19 in total.
From there, here are spells we should create duplicates of in new, less encumbering spell books so the others can be left in the quantum box. None of this needs to happen today, but we should start the process and do as much as we have the money for. (38 more inks, 57 in total).
Sleep, Magic Missile, Shield, Enlarge, Reduce, Mend Alacrity, Deeppockets, Invisibility, Stinking Cloud, Knock, Strength Dispel Magic, Protection from Normal Missiles, Lightning Bolt, Fly Polymorph Self, Rissa's Ruby Ray
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 15:12:08 GMT -5
That's a total of 4900GP for the brazier, the orb and the two books. Assuming this is acceptable to the party ... Bolo is okay with this. And in the interest of party cohesion and general goodwill, Bolo even suggests that for these sales, and the other sales of party items that Colby has proposed, we donate the share of the proceeds that would normally go to individuals, toward Colby's portion of Colby's training costs. Also, Bolo shows Friedrich a document he recently had written by a scribe: www.mit.edu/~dfm/Friedrichdeclaration.pdfHe says that if Friedrich wins his fight against Umad, and Bolo wins 3000gp on his bet, then if Friedrich signs the document, Bolo will use his 3000gp winnings to pay off 60% of Fenhold's debt. Will Friedrich sign? Possibly. I'll have to look into it more closely. Has Nordel agreed to part with the Bear Girdle that he hasn't even used? MT is a NPC magic user with NPC stats. 8 con, 10 dex. She needs to be protected. Nordell states that he wants a good magic item. He has 10 magic arrows that Mary gave to him. IMO, those were her items as they were specifically given to her. Acting in good faith Mary gave them to Bolo and Nordell because they could make better use of those items. Nordell is a fighter with an 18.00 strength. He has no use for the belt. Friedrich feels that those magic arrows are about as cool an item as we have come across. I've said it before, Nordell has been well compensated. But this is a case of hoarding stuff just to have it. Mary needs it. Will Nordell hand over the belt?
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Post by Bolo on Aug 12, 2012 16:29:37 GMT -5
Will Nordell hand over the belt? No. And no. And also no. Nordel reminds Mary that he is a bow specialist with 18/00 strength, magic armor, a +2 strength bow, and plenty of arrows. If Mary would like a demonstration of how Nordel uses this equipment, she has only to ask ... for the bear belt again. Nordel recommends that she not be within point-blank range when she does this.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 16:32:57 GMT -5
Friedrich walks into Nordel's room and....roll for initiative!!!!
Nobody threatens Mary and lives.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 17:07:32 GMT -5
Fine, I read the emails. Nordel can have the belt. What might Nordel want as fair compensation for the belt Friedrich asks politely, with his axe in the other room and wearing no armor.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 17:10:10 GMT -5
I just want to be clear:
Friedrich, rising star in the Fighting Pits of Barb-el-Shay and fairly distinguishable dwarf who casts no shadow, is not assaulting a patron inside the Inn of Seven Silks, in broad daylight, with a battle-axe?
Let me know if he is, we can quickly play out his trial & summary execution on the messageboard.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 17:14:55 GMT -5
No I am not assualting anybody. I hadn't not read the emails. In the interest of peace, we will try to reach a compromise here.
Like I asked before, what does Nordel want in exchange for the belt? Perhaps Mary can agree to cast a buffing spell of Nordel's choice on him every day or before every combat. Perhaps money. I would offer up magic items but the truth is Mary has none. What from Friedrich's stuff would seem fair?
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Post by Bolo on Aug 12, 2012 18:25:02 GMT -5
Like I asked before, what does Nordel want in exchange for the belt? I have asked Gareth this question several times now. The answer is that Nordel wants to keep the belt. He's not interested in a trade, for buffing, for money, or for another magic item. Nordel thinks the belt is cool; he has a personal fondness for bears and other animals, as a ranger and because of his skill in animal husbandry; and he's keeping the belt unless someone physically takes it from him. Bolo, in a conciliatory tone, suggests that if Mary is so eager for protection, there is a simple solution: Paavo will ask around on the Street of Magicians for rings of protection and bracers of defense. He can have either for 2000 dinars. Or both for 4000. It appears that Friedrich and Mary, between them, have nearly 950 dinars in cash, not counting some gems. If they bet this on Friedrich in the fight, and he wins, that will yield enough to buy a ring of protection or a pair of bracers, whichever Mary prefers, with nearly 850 dinars in cash left over. Nordel, also in a conciliatory tone, suggests that he will be happy to help Friedrich climb aboard even the most recalcitrant camel. He's pretty sure that his animal husbandry skills will let him accomplish this.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 19:18:55 GMT -5
Sure that is fine. Nordel should keep the bear belt if it is that important to him.
Question for the CPA's here:
Mary has ( 4 ) fiery red carnelian (50GP) Mary ( 150 ) gold dinar Mary ( 1 ) gold skull cap
Friedrich has Friedrich ( 799 ) gold dinars Friedrich ( 10 ) silver centime
Are the silver centimes just regular silver pieces?
How much is the gold skull cap worth? Are each of the fiery red carnelian worth (50GP)?
If Friedrich lets it all ride on this fight we could double up.
Friedrich would like to put the teleporting ring down as collateral on a loan. He will take that money and place it on himself.
Any other suggestions for the Friedrich/MT due to liquidate some cash. Ideally, I would have enough money to pay from MT's training costs and some left over for Fenhold. _________________________________________________________________ I'm reading the pdf regarding Bolo giving 3000 gp's against this debt and trying to figure out what the catch is here. I guess the big catch here is that we have to name so future swamp land, once drained, after some Amazon. Friedrich's confident he could sell that to the public. Especially in light of the fact that those naming rights gave Fenhold a huge cash injection. The halflings should have no problem with it.
Friedrich reminds Bolo that every citizen of Fenhold, whether they are elf, human, halfling, dwarf, half-orc or gnome, are already guaranteed equal rights and protection under the law. He would be happy to take the money but will point out that the halflings in Fenhold already have everything laid out in that contract as long as Friedrich is alive. This contract would not entitle anybody to preferential treatment under the law, however.
Friedrich is aware that there are problems regarding land use for grazing and he seeks to find a fair and equitable solution for all, regardless of their racial stock. Halflings already are allowed to elect their local officials and enter into contracts and have those contracts enforced by the law. They have the right to bear arms and travel as they please as well.
It seems inevitable that some people will be displaced when the swamp is drained. Friedrich plans to compensate everybody equitably for this.
In short, this contract won't guarantee any halfling any rights that Friedrich already wasn't willing to die in order to protect. But, he'll gladly take the money and offer Bolo his sincerest thanks for this gesture.
In addition, Friedrich suggests that at some future time Bolo can act as an emissary of sorts. Somebody that can be an advocate for the halflings of Fenhold and help ensure that their best interests are always given full consideration. Friedrich is confident that the halflings will be happy to know that they have somebody looking out for them who most definitely has Friedrich's ear as well as his gratitude and respect.
It seems like a win-win here...so Friedrich will sign the contract.
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Post by Bolo on Aug 12, 2012 20:05:49 GMT -5
Yes, a silver centime is just a silver piece, in the local coinage of Barb-el-Shay. I don't think we know what we can sell the gold skull cap for. Bolo suggests asking Colby to shop it around to see what offers he gets. The fiery red carnelians are worth 50gp each, but selling gems in this city only gets you 80% of true value, i.e. 40gp each, because the jewelers are scumbags hard-nosed businessmen. But if you're going to bet, and you're confident, don't sell the gems. Use them as collateral for a loan from the Merchant Houses. If they give Mary the same terms as Bolo, she can borrow 300gp cash at 5gp interest per day if she puts up 200gp in gems. The terms might be different on a different amount, of course. And Bolo doesn't know whether the Merchant Houses will also make loans using magic items as collateral. He only knows about gems. He suspects that bankers will also only know about gems. But it's worth a try.
Bolo is delighted to hear that Friedrich will sign the declaration of halfling rights. He is honored to accept the role of emissary and advocate for Fenhold's halfling community. He looks forward to visiting Fenhold at the next opportunity. And he tells Friedrich that the feelings of gratitude and respect are mutual. He mentions that the document was prepared in triplicate, one for Friedrich, one for Bolo, and one to keep in the vault Paavo just rented, in case some unfortunate mishap occurs.
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Post by Bolo on Aug 12, 2012 20:09:47 GMT -5
Bolo discreetly asks Gabul what the heck this is.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 21:29:56 GMT -5
Paavo donates 50 gp to the Temple. Paavo purchases 2 cut spinels from the party for 48 gp. Paavo uses party funds to rent a secure vault for 3 months. Paavo purchases a small ceramic container to hold the key. Paavo offers his padded armor to Gabul, if he doesn't want it he puts it in the qbox. Dan gives an extra waterskin to Paavo and Youssef. Dan gives Youssef Feldspar's wand. Paavo will claim the violet dust for Youssef. Dan will claim the scroll of protection from acid. Into the vault Paavo will place: qbox ( 1 ) a suit of electric blue platemail fashioned from the carapace of a lobster (UW/action) qbox ( 2 ) displacer beast pelts qbox ( 1 ) The Demonomicon qbox ( 1 ) chalcedony sphere (Air) Party ( 1 ) rainbird tears Party ( 1 ) Lemarchand puzzle box Party ( 1 ) crossbow-contraption (arquebus) Party ( 1 ) a bardiche (enchanted moderately) Party ( 1 ) a fauchard fork (tuning fork) Party ( 1 ) a set of steel manacles Party ( 1 ) gold demon mask Party ( 1 ) book of shadows Party ( 1 ) book (animunculi) Party ( 3 ) bottle with toad Party ( 1 ) pixie mead If anyone needs any of that stuff he will retrieve it. He suggests putting more books in the vault but he won't take anything off anyone's character. Colby should take Galgonan or the +1 broadsword. I don't know what he is proficient with. Place these in the qbox until someone claims them: Party ( 1 ) magnifying glass Party ( 4 ) healing water Party ( 1 ) a bronze knife (blood-letting) Party ( 1 ) golden apple (cure critical) Party ( 1 ) silver apple (cure poison) Party ( 9 ) rose colored potions (healing) Party ( 1 ) a longsword with an ivory grip (Galgonan) Party ( 1 ) broadsword +1 Done.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 21:39:57 GMT -5
Have we ever tried to sell the Lemarchand box? Colby will start with the earth elementalists, since it opens a portal to The Labyrinth of Stone. 250 dinars, on account of it being a cursed item that draws the opener into the Labyrinth of Stone to be enslaved for eternity by cruel dao. Colby will try to sell the displacer beast pelts. The Shadow Weaver charged a kings ransom to make them into cloaks, so we should just sell them and get what we can. 600 dinars each. (1200 dinars)Colby will also try to sell his aerial stingers to an alchemist or on the street of magicians. 50 dinars each. (200 dinars)Let me know if you're selling. ( total 1650 dinars)
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 21:45:15 GMT -5
@ Venger: I will have Mary and Friedrich shop around the gold skull cap to see what they can get for it. Is is magical? I don't even know what it is.
Would it be possible for Friedrich to take out a loan with a magic item as collateral? For example could I pawn the Unicorn Ring? Perhaps Bolo knows some people that could lend Friedrich money. (of course the loan would be securitized)
I assume that Friedrich will be at 18.00 for the fight. Correct?
Besides a visit to the brothel, what other non-magical short term bonuses could Friedrich benefit from? You said something about coffee.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 21:49:06 GMT -5
Colby will trade with Azul-azrad. He'll give RRR and RotIS for Hovering Skull, Sepia Snake Sigil, Sandstorm and Salaphir's Searing Serpent. 12 Inks to write, all in new books. Books - 1125 2 clay ostracons 1 Traveling Spellbooks He'll write Memory and Polymorph Other from the new scroll into one of the heavy, old books. 7 more inks, 19 in total. The party has 5 inks, purchasing 14 more. Subtotal: 2525 dinars. 4900 - 2525 = 2375 dinars into party fund.Colby successfully writes those spells, almost messing up. What spellbooks is he writing the new ones in? He can fit all 4 of those spells in any of the 3 he purchased. Or spread them around?
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Post by Wolfgar on Aug 12, 2012 21:49:38 GMT -5
Paavo is sorry to see that the item distribution has become so contentious. Paavo feels that magic items should be shared among the party members in order to make the party as a whole stronger. That good and reasonable people should be able to see what is best for the party. And that party members holding onto a magic item just because they think the item is cool is just plain greedy.
In the case of the bronze bear belt, why can't Mary use it until we find some better protection for her? It is not the best form of protection but it gives her an option when she is trying to survive. Not everyone is allowed to wear armor. Not everyone has tons of hit points. Why can't we can say it belongs to Nordel and he is letting her borrow it? When she no longer needs it she will give it back to him. Wouldn't any intrinsically good person (like a ranger) want to help his fellow party member?
If this is not convincing, then Paavo has some suggestions: 1) use some of the money from the sale of the books, orb and brazier to help purchase a protection item for Mary; 2) Mary reclaim the bow and arrows the Amazons gave to her and sell those at the best price she can get, then use that money to purchase a protection item; 3) Bolo and Nordel compensate Mary for the bow and arrows, and she use that to purchase a protection item.
In addition, Dan did not give Mary the gold skull cap to sell. It is a powerful offensive weapon (psionic blast) and she is unlikely to get the money it is worth. It was given to her as a means of protecting herself when her spells are used up. If she isn't going to use it then it should go back to Dan.
Also Paavo suggests that Friedrich not sell the unicorn ring. You may get good money for it but you will likely pay a lot more to get it back.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 21:54:07 GMT -5
Fine, the skull cap is not to be sold.
Friedrich was not planning on selling the unicorn ring per say. He was hoping to use it to secure a loan.
I'm just trying to think of ways to scrape some money together so we can have something to bet. I'm all ears though if somebody has any better suggestions.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 22:07:09 GMT -5
Nordel, also in a conciliatory tone, suggests that he will be happy to help Friedrich climb aboard even the most recalcitrant camel. He's pretty sure that his animal husbandry skills will let him accomplish this. They might have to share the camel to make it happen though. Bonding through hardship... Bolo discreetly asks Gabul what the heck this is. A magical flower. @ Venger: I will have Mary and Friedrich shop around the gold skull cap to see what they can get for it. Is is magical? I don't even know what it is. Then you don't imagine you get very good offers for it, do you? How you gonna try to sell something you don't know what it is? 10 dinars.Would it be possible for Friedrich to take out a loan with a magic item as collateral? No. I assume that Friedrich will be at 18.00 for the fight. Correct? Has it been 30 days since Friedrich finished the book? The answer is no. It'll be Day 47 before he finishes his daily exercise routine. Besides a visit to the brothel, what other non-magical short term bonuses could Friedrich benefit from? You said something about coffee. The veiled women of the Pleasure Houses of Barb-el-Shay find that term insulting and Friedrich will find himself blacklisted if he is not more courteous. A simple search of the messageboard turns up:
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 12, 2012 22:27:23 GMT -5
Friedrich took 16 days to train for the 2/1 attack routine. I was ruled that he could not train and read the book at the same time. Once he was done training he started reading the book which takes 30 days. I feel like Friedrich will have gained the 18.00 at day 46. What day is the fight scheduled for?
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Post by Wolfgar on Aug 12, 2012 22:46:35 GMT -5
How much money does Friedrich need? As Bolo points out Friedrich has enough money now to wager on himself and, if he wins, have enough to purchase either the protection ring or the bracers. If he needs more money maybe he can just borrow some from the party members. Trommer and Nordel seen to have extra valuables. Or just use some of the money you get from Bolo for signing the contract. The contract doesn't say what you do with the money.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 23:08:45 GMT -5
Friedrich took 16 days to train for the 2/1 attack routine. I was ruled that he could not train and read the book at the same time. Once he was done training he started reading the book which takes 30 days. I feel like Friedrich will have gained the 18.00 at day 46. What day is the fight scheduled for? It took Friedrich a day to find the Fighting Pits, a trainer, affiliate with the Eternal Axe, etc. Day 47 he'll be done. The fight is scheduled for Day 39.
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Post by venger on Aug 12, 2012 23:35:14 GMT -5
Do Haddiq the Blessed, Azhbar, or Basmadoos have anything other than their respective weapons? Colby offers to buy them padded armor if they'd like it. They're as equipped as they want to be. And unless the padded armor is crafted from the hide of a demon he's killed, they don't want it.
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Post by Ginger on Aug 13, 2012 0:04:43 GMT -5
I agree with Paavo on all matters of the magic item distribution and the equity thereof. I strongly disagree with the general notion that we should take out loans to gamble. It's hard to imagine a worse case of putting all of your eggs in one basket. I understand that we all know Friedrich to be a beastly fighter, and the best odds for us will be on his first fight, but how about we avoid betting with borrowed money? Colby will write his 4 new spells in one of his new books. Have we ever tried to sell the Lemarchand box? Colby will start with the earth elementalists, since it opens a portal to The Labyrinth of Stone. 250 dinars, on account of it being a cursed item that draws the opener into the Labyrinth of Stone to be enslaved for eternity by cruel dao. 600 dinars each. (1200 dinars)Colby will also try to sell his aerial stingers to an alchemist or on the street of magicians. 50 dinars each. (200 dinars)Let me know if you're selling. ( total 1650 dinars) I think this is a good call. I'd like to put it all into spell ink purchases. It seems to have been a priority of the fighters lower the encumbrance load, so I'd like to start transferring spells into more portable books. Colby will ask Paavo about Youssef. He's interested in learning more about magic as it's practiced here, and Colby compliments him on having a fine spell that he'd never even heard of before. Colby will gladly share his spell books (except for Introduction to the Dark Arts).
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Post by Wolfgar on Aug 13, 2012 7:50:30 GMT -5
Paavo agrees completely with Colby with regards to gambling. He would go further and say that the Fighting Pits are an ugly form of entertainment. Killing people for the entertainment and profit of others borders on evil in his mind. He realizes it is part of this society but it is not something he approves of. He would prefer if Friedrich gave up this endeavor. His efforts are better used for destroying evil. Paavo and Dan will heal Friedrich after this next fight but not after any more fights. The miracles granted to them by their gods should not be used to prop up this institution.
With regards to spell books, the priority is both reducing the encumbrance as well as protecting an investment. I don't want what happened with Finn's spell books to happen again. We need a back up of the spell library so that if something gets destroyed we have a way to make additional copies. In addition, Mary (and Youssef) should have their own traveling spell books. In the meantime, Colby should move forward and crafting what spell books he thinks will be needed. Are we going to keep the extra spell books in the qbox or in the secure vault?
Paavo is heartened to hear Colby's interest and willingness to support Youssef. Youssef would like to learn more about non-elemental magics in addition to continuing his education in the Elements. He will share Lasting Breath with Colby and Mary. When the resources and time are available he would like to try to understand some of the basic enchantments that Colby knows and copy some of them to his spell tablet. He would feel bad about having to continually borrow spell books from such a great and powerful mage such as Colby. So having his own copy is important to him.
Also Youssef returns Feldspar's wand back to Dan. Youssef was overawed at the granting of a powerful magic to his possession. In calmer moments, he decided that a wand that does Flesh to Stone is not something he should use. He explains that as an Air Elemancer, Earth-based magics are diametrically opposite for him.
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Post by Mr. Trommer on Aug 13, 2012 8:08:13 GMT -5
So I surmise that Friedrich's fight will be against a douoble specialized knife thrower of at least 7th level to get 4 throws per round at +1 to hit and +2 damage. I can't recall if the strength damage bonus can be added. If it can and the fighter is 18/00 in strength, the fighter could inflict a minimum of 36 hp of damage a round ((1d6+8)x4)) up to a max of 56 hp. If the fighter, Umar, wears unencumbering armor and Freirich wears plate, Umar should be able to keep retreating enough to stay out of melee range and slowly take Friedrich down without much risk. This is just my general thought on the tactics of a knife specialist. If this is a valid theory, it probably would be prudent of Friedrich to carry a lot of throwing axes. If I am wrong about the strength bonus it still means it can be done only that it will take longer.
I haven't gone back to look so I don't know if there was mention of what sort of armor Umar was wearing. Friedrich should wear armor that allows him to maintain melee contact (if possible as a dwarf) after fighting withdrawls. I expect that Umar hopes that Friedrich wastes his charge at the open of the fight. I'm too tired to think through the mechanics of it all factoring in the range limitations of a dagger (1,2,3). Does double specialization extend the range?
Just food for thought. I put this forward for a more reasoned thought to the mechanics of it. Trommer isn't comfortable wagering on the usual fighting tactics Friedrich uses at this point. His oppenent is a seasoned and crafty fighter to survive this long only relying on knives.
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Post by Wolfgar on Aug 13, 2012 8:47:03 GMT -5
I was just thinking about the same thing. Given that Umar moves at a 12" and Friedrich at a 6", Umar can basically keep Friedrich at bay (> 1") and still throw 2 daggers a round. And strength bonuses do count for thrown weapons. Is Umar ambidextrous? If he can throw with both hands you are in real trouble.
I think Friedrich should counter with a bow. You can start out of his dagger range. You won't do much damage but he will have to close first. That will give you at least two rounds (4 arrows). Then when he gets within 3" you charge. Once in melee he will want to do a fighting withdraw to get back to throwing range. I think you should ignore your chance to strike at the beginning of the round and instead withdraw in the opposite direction. This will put you out of dagger range. You can then either try to stay out of his range until you can charge again. Or you can try the bow again.
This combat will need segment by segment movements as the two combatants attempt to keep/break contact.
You might also try darts. The range and rate of fire is better than daggers and hand axes. And you still get your strength bonus. Maybe you should pay for a crash course in proficiency in one of these ranged weapons. You have got to have the slots.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 13, 2012 9:17:23 GMT -5
I’ve already thought about this and more. Depending on how metagame’ Venger is, I think the fight should be winnable. If I fight an opponent that knows all of my plans ahead of time and is prepared in advanced to deal with them then I will lose. 1 Can you do split fire on a fighting withdrawl. For example can Umad scoot back 70’ feet, stop and throw a knife
2. I would like to know every piece of equipment that Umad was wearing. I want to know all the mechanichal effects I will be facing. Umad surely will be fighting an intelligent fight against Friedrich. I specificially scouted him.
Hemet, armor?
3. If we start the round next to each other, does my specialized attack go before his specialized attack? Does it go before a fighting withdrawal?
4. This fight has all the potential of turning into a demonstration as to why 1E combat mechanics suck, but if Friedrich has to walk into the arena with a tower shield, hunker behind it and bust out of it every 10 rounds, I am fully prepared to do that.
There is NO question whatsoever that depending on how things are ruled this fight can be unwinnable.
5. Can Friedrich train to use the sand trick?
6. Would you consider a middle ground regarding WS for off-hand? Friedrich would be single specialized. +1, +2
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Post by Ginger on Aug 13, 2012 9:25:07 GMT -5
My advice is for Friedrich to bring a ton of extra stuff. Multiple shields, so you can drop one if needed, a million hand axes, etc.
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