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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 11:49:53 GMT -5
Where exactly did you place the continual light? With a 6" radius it should have extended into the temple area. I assumed we had some light in the temple since we are able to move around but were not able to see the back of the room. Pfiffwin's throw landed 15' in front of the party so it would have lit up all of the corridor. I imagine the temple area is illuminated only partially by the light spilling out from the hallway. It's probably very creepy, the villains looking very villainous. Antonus re-lit his staff with the Continual Light. It travels with him in that 6" radius.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 12:06:07 GMT -5
Where exactly did you place the continual light? With a 6" radius it should have extended into the temple area. I assumed we had some light in the temple since we are able to move around but were not able to see the back of the room. Antonus re-lit his staff with the Continual Light. It travels with him in that 6" radius. See I am always making the mistake in assuming that people will do things to help the front line fighters. Here I figured Antonus had used continual light as far down the passage as possible so that Otto wouldn't need to spend time re-equiping a glowing stone. Of course I also assumed Winthrop would lob a fireball into the center of the room to give us time advance.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 12:27:37 GMT -5
See I am always making the mistake in assuming that people will do things to help the front line fighters. Here I figured Antonus had used continual light as far down the passage as possible so that Otto wouldn't need to spend time re-equiping a glowing stone. Of course I also assumed Winthrop would lob a fireball into the center of the room to give us time advance. Ahem. I figured using up all my 2nd level slots on Strength spells for the party was sufficient. When enemy spellcasters plunge us into darkness my first thought isn't to cast the only light spell I have as far away from me as possible. You guys hand out Continual Light stones like candy. People like Adler and Grizella should be chucking them around instead of standing there ineffectually.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 13:04:07 GMT -5
I figured using up all my 2nd level slots on Strength spells for the party was sufficient. When enemy spellcasters plunge us into darkness my first thought isn't to cast the only light spell I have as far away from me as possible. You guys hand out Continual Light stones like candy. People like Adler and Grizella should be chucking them around instead of standing there ineffectually. The Strength Spell was definitely helpful but I am talking about actions taken in the fight not hours beforehand. Given that you don't have to roll to hit with a spell it makes much more sense to use it to light up a specific area. I agree that more people should have tried throwing stones. Also we give out stones so people don't need to waste spells on lighting themselves up. They can just pull out a stone. If they take the spell it is assumed that they will use it as a ranged effect.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 13:06:41 GMT -5
I like how magically enchanted to be unable to move in Adler's case and lying unconscious in Grizzela's case is interpreted by Eddie to be "standing there ineffectually".
To stick up for Antonus, I don't think you can cast Continual Light anywhere other than in front of you if you'd covered in a Darkness field.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 13:32:34 GMT -5
It wasn't a spell Antonus took.
It's an innate ability of his familiar, usable once per day. At the time it didn't seem reasonable the familiar, secreted about Antonus' person, would be casting the spell far off down a hallway it hadn't seen/couldn't see period, while enveloped in darkness.
Everyone took for granted that the continual light Pfiffwin tried to throw would be enough and proceeded about their actions. That was, I guess, a tactical error when fighting these light-sensitive dark elves.
But then again we, as a party, technically don't know anything about dark elves anyway.
Hey, I just call 'em like I see 'em.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 13:34:45 GMT -5
I think the fact that you knew there was a passageway in front of you before the darkness gives you the ability the cast at least 6" in the same direction.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 13:37:43 GMT -5
I didn't want to be in the dark, okay? Happy?
Antonus is scared of the dark.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 13:42:25 GMT -5
It wasn't a spell Antonus took. It's an innate ability of his familiar, usable once per day. At the time it didn't seem reasonable the familiar, secreted about Antonus' person, would be casting the spell far off down a hallway it hadn't seen/couldn't see period, while enveloped in darkness. How would a secreted familiar even know about the darkness unless Antonus told him it had gone dark? From the way you play I assume that there is a direct mind link between Antonus and his familiar such that anything Antonus knows the familiar knows and vice versa. Otherwise you used some communication that no one else could hear and directed Bob climb out of the backpack onto your arm, shimmy along until he found the staff and then cast the spell on an object he could touch but not see.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 13:43:37 GMT -5
I didn't want to be in the dark, okay? Happy? Antonus is scared of the dark. That is all I am saying. You think about yourself more than the party when we are in a combat situation.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 13:52:02 GMT -5
How would a secreted familiar even know about the darkness unless Antonus told him it had gone dark? From the way you play I assume that there is a direct mind link between Antonus and his familiar such that anything Antonus knows the familiar knows and vice versa. Otherwise you used some communication that no one else could hear and directed Bob climb out of the backpack onto your arm, shimmy along until he found the staff and then cast the spell on an object he could touch but not see. I wouldn't say there's quite a telepathic link, with mental communication and stuff. I would say that the "sensory powers" are shared both ways. It got dark, the familiar became aware because it sees what Antonus sees (or does not see in this case), and the panicked Antonus goes, "uh light spell, light spell..." and the familiar lights it up... (the range being such and the sensory awareness being so, that the familiar was able to just re-light the staff without moving) --- That is all I am saying. You think about yourself more than the party when we are in a combat situation. Oh no he did not... Go yell at Mr. Protection from Normal Missiles / Minor Globe of Invulnerability.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 13:53:58 GMT -5
I didn't want to be in the dark, okay? Happy? Antonus is scared of the dark. That is all I am saying. You think about yourself more than the party when we are in a combat situation. Ask him about how he fled in the midst of battle to find the elven prisoner who ran off. That's a good story.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 13:55:46 GMT -5
Ask him about how he fled in the midst of battle to find the elven prisoner who ran off. That's a good story. lol yeah that... i was charmed by her.. uh.. foxiness *and I came RIGHT BACK ** Dell steals sometimes!!
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 13:56:05 GMT -5
I think the fact that you knew there was a passageway in front of you before the darkness gives you the ability the cast at least 6" in the same direction. Are you allowed to do this? I thought line of sight was required.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 29, 2007 15:22:10 GMT -5
That is all I am saying. You think about yourself more than the party when we are in a combat situation. Oh no he did not... Go yell at Mr. Protection from Normal Missiles / Minor Globe of Invulnerability. I am definitely more upset with Winthrop than Antonus. Winthrop should have advanced with his 50% magic resistant sword drawn and started dropping spells on them. Next time we go into a temple of evil clerics - Otto wants Foebiter. Forget the proficiency bonuses I will take the MR any day.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 15:33:28 GMT -5
Forget magic resistance. I want the 75% spell turning! Imagine if he'd smacked that lightning bolt back at them!
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Post by Mr. Trommer on Jun 29, 2007 16:03:57 GMT -5
The spell turning only works once and not against area effect spells.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 16:07:40 GMT -5
Given how cool spell turning vs. Lightning Bolt would be, it must be possible.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 16:11:10 GMT -5
If he had "spell-turned" that lightning bolt after it reached him, wouldn't it then have hit the people standing in front of him in the hallway twice...?
Killing them?
Granted that still would have looked pretty cool...
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Post by Ginger on Jun 29, 2007 16:15:26 GMT -5
No, the awesomeness would have kept them alive.
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Post by venger on Jun 29, 2007 16:30:14 GMT -5
No, the awesomeness would have kept them alive. You are probably correct. He would have batted the bolt at some oblique angle, missing the party and nailing everyone standing on the altar.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jun 29, 2007 16:55:03 GMT -5
Where exactly did you place the continual light? With a 6" radius it should have extended into the temple area. I assumed we had some light in the temple since we are able to move around but were not able to see the back of the room. Pfiffwin's throw landed 15' in front of the party so it would have lit up all of the corridor. I imagine the temple area is illuminated only partially by the light spilling out from the hallway. It's probably very creepy, the villains looking very villainous. Antonus re-lit his staff with the Continual Light. It travels with him in that 6" radius. The temple area is lit three ways. 1. Pfiffwin's continual light stone that lights up the corridor brightly and spills dimly into the room. 2. The faerie fire spells that are on every PC in the temple shed enough light to see (and be seen). 3. The description of the room included three large lanterns hanging from the ceiling that glow a dim purplish light that cascades over the temple area, allowing the Company to see the dimensions of a 150 foot room with exits, altars, center riser, and webbing. I think its pretty creepy looking. At least it is supposed to be. Raven is near the green altar. He killed on of the drow fighters last round. If we win initiative next round, he'll either plug 3 arrows into the drider near him or advance towards the main altar and plug 2 arrows into the main caster. Do you think he has protection from normal missiles? I don't think he does, because IIRC Dana didn't roll to dispel it when the priest tried to dispel the slow. BTW, was Otto or Hugh in the area of effect of this second dispel magic? Did we check if the Holds and Charm were affected? No. Perrin and Otto are in, essentially, a straight line, and the dispel magic was placed to their left, capturing the drow mage, the silence 15' radius, and the illusory elven archers. Oh no he did not... Go yell at Mr. Protection from Normal Missiles / Minor Globe of Invulnerability. I am definitely more upset with Winthrop than Antonus. Winthrop should have advanced with his 50% magic resistant sword drawn and started dropping spells on them. Next time we go into a temple of evil clerics - Otto wants Foebiter. Forget the proficiency bonuses I will take the MR any day. I'm not sure where this notion that Foebiter provides magic resistance began, but I'd like to say that Foebiter does not provide magic resistance of any value. It does, once per day, allow the wielder to use Foebiter as a ring of spell turning with a 75% chance of it functioning. Note that a ring of spell turning does not reflect the spell in full, but only mitigates its effects by a subsequent percentage roll, reflecting the mitigated portion.
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Post by Dell on Jun 29, 2007 17:20:14 GMT -5
We didn't have problems like this when Dell was the leader.
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