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Post by Wolfgar on Dec 12, 2012 11:57:43 GMT -5
Is Mamnoon's ability to cast Etherealness like this spell? Can he make others ethereal? Can he use Etherealness on an opponent like it says in the spell? He is able to take 6 individuals to the Elemental planes - is that done by taking them through the Ethereal plane first by means of this spell? Or is that a separate ability? Ethereal creatures are able to see the PMP in vague misty outline. Assume you are exploring underground. If you are holding a light source and you become ethereal does the light source still allow you to see in the Prime Material plane? Or does there need to be a light source in the Prime Material plane in order for you to see there? Can someone in the PMP see the light from the ethereal light source even if they can't see the source? (The physicist in me wonders how a photon in the PMP reaches the retina of an ethereal being. It is not two-way since ethereal creatures are invisible to people in the PMP. If it is a different spectrum that is relaying information from PMP to EP then maybe you don't need any light to see.) |
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Post by venger on Dec 12, 2012 12:38:06 GMT -5
Is Mamnoon's ability to cast Etherealness like this spell? Can he make others ethereal? Can he use Etherealness on an opponent like it says in the spell? Nope, I have no idea what that is. This power is spelled out in the PHB, pg. 115. He can take 300GP weight (30lbs) with him because he's 6HD, which is basically his equipment. He is able to take 6 individuals to the Elemental planes - is that done by taking them through the Ethereal plane first by means of this spell? Or is that a separate ability? Separate ability. Ethereal creatures are able to see the PMP in vague misty outline. Like when Frodo puts on the One Ring in the movies, only more misty and harder to see - and full of ghosts and demons... Assume you are exploring underground. If you are holding a light source and you become ethereal does the light source still allow you to see in the Prime Material plane? Or does there need to be a light source in the Prime Material plane in order for you to see there? Can someone in the PMP see the light from the ethereal light source even if they can't see the source? There's an ambient twilight to the Ethereal Plane. But that's not really relevant as there is no exploring the Prime Material Plane while ethereal. No meaningful details can be gleaned while ethereal, regardless of illumination. It's certainly not a low-resolution Prime Material Plane that one can jaunt around in or the no-clipping option in Quake... There's a reason the Faerie carved the criss-crossing network of roads throughout the misty Border Ethereal. Time/space do not obey the same laws as the Prime Material Plane. One can (and will) find themselves hopelessly lost forever exploring the Border Ethereal unless they're first killed by ghosts or demons who "frequently roam the astral and ethereal planes and whose "attention [are] attracted by persons in an ethereal state." (MM pg 16, paragraph 6)
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Post by Wolfgar on Dec 13, 2012 11:05:12 GMT -5
From reading the description of Oil of Etherealness (DMG, p. 126), I see the ethereal individual having the option of staying in the prime material plane or traveling to another plane. While in the PMP they can move through objects, walls, floors, etc.; taking in their surrounding but not interacting with it. They can also will themselves in and out of the Ethereal plane and into other planes connected to the Ethereal plane. But becoming ethereal doesn't automatically transport you to the Ethereal Plane or Border Ethereal. That is how I see it. And hence the question about exploring while ethereal. I think it is similar to the Wraithform spell (UA, p. 69).
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Post by venger on Dec 13, 2012 21:52:29 GMT -5
In that case it's like Phase Door, not Wraithform.
If you want to go ethereal through the wall/door/obstacle in front of you, that's fine. If you want to go ethereal in combat to get behind someone or flee, that's fine. But if you want to go ethereal to "explore" you will get lost and end up in the Border Ethereal where ghosts and demons will eat you.
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