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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 4, 2009 11:07:34 GMT -5
Here is a thread we can use to keep the magic user spells we have. Besmara (3? folios) (in Kerava) 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Affect Normal Fires | Forget | Dispel Magic | Alarm | Invisibility | Water Breathing | Detect Magic | Ray of Enfeeblement | Shocking Grasp | Sleep | Taunt |
Sleeping Jarls (3 traveling spellbooks) 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Affect Normal Fires | Continual Light | Dispel Magic | Armor | Mirror Image | Hold Person | Detect Magic | Web | Lightning Bolt | Magic Missile | Mount | Read Magic |
Pirates (2 traveling spellbooks) 1st | 2nd | Read Magic | Continual Light | Write | Stinking Cloud | Magic Missile | Knock | Sleep | | Shield | | Mending | | Shocking Grasp |
Scroll at 12th Level - Fireball, Dispel Magic and Legend Lore
Scroll at 13th Level - TeleportScroll at 7th Level - Magic MissileTreatise on 7th Circle of Hell - Beckon (in Kerava) Scroll @ 15th level - Leomund's Secret Chest, Otiluke's Resilient Sphere (transcribed), Otiluke's Freezing Sphere, Melf's Minute Meteors (transcribed), EnsnarementScroll @ 7th Level - Fireball Scroll @ 8th Level - Leomund's Secure Shelter, Shout, Massmorph Scroll @ 7th Level - Fly, Knock Martens' Magic User (2 traveling spellbooks, 1 destroyed) 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Magic Missile | Darkness 15’ | Fireball | Shield | invisibility | Slow | Sleep | Knock | | Affect Normal Fires | | | Identify | | | Enlarge | | | Protection from Evil | | |
Martens' Illusionist (2 traveling spellbooks) (in Kerava) 1st | 2nd | unknown | detect magic | phantasmal force | unknown | unknown | mirror image | | unknown |
Witch from Black Towen (4 traveling spellbooks) 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | Comprehend Languages | ESP | Protection from Normal Missiles | Minor Globe of Invulnerability | Detect Magic | Knock | Dispel Magic | Polymorph Other | Read Magic | Rope Trick | Lightning Bolt | Polymorph Self | Armor | Invisibility | Fly | | Charm Person | Stinking Cloud | | | Magic Missile | Detect Invisibility | | | Protection From Good | | | |
Kazan's spellbooks (1 traveling spellbooks) 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | | | Melf's Minute Meteors | Otiluke's Resilient Sphere | | | | Dimension Door |
Gnome Illusionist from Black Towen (2 traveling spellbooks) (in Kerava) 1st | 2nd | phantasmal force | mirror image | unknown | unknown |
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Post by Ginger on Jun 4, 2009 12:57:03 GMT -5
What's the deal with discovering spells? Does it have to be level appropriate? Can you discover a lower level spell?
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Post by venger on Jun 4, 2009 13:04:36 GMT -5
You can discover any spell you can cast, except for named ones and some/all Unearthed Arcana I think.
I know the new spellbooks had a bunch of duplicates and only a couple new spells:
Phantasmal Force Darkness 15' Radius Fireball
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Post by Ginger on Jun 4, 2009 13:09:39 GMT -5
Is that Magic Missile on the scroll with disintegrate? Does that mean it's at 12th level? If so, we should use it sooner rather than later.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jun 4, 2009 19:28:47 GMT -5
In four traveling spell books from the Martens':
First level: magic missile, shield, sleep, affect normal fires, identify Second level: darkness 15’ radius, invisibility, knock Third level: fireball
In two traveling spell books from the Martens':
First level: unknown, phantasmal force, unknown Second level: detect magic, unknown, mirror image, unknown
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Post by Ginger on Jun 5, 2009 10:46:52 GMT -5
You can discover any spell you can cast, except for named ones and some/all Unearthed Arcana I think. So if you didn't discover any spells until you were an arch-mage you could immediately discover time-stop, wish, etc? That seems abusive. Especially in a party of mixed level characters, where a henchman would jump up levels quickly, already likely have access to several spell books, and could wait until 7th level to write a bunch of awesome spells. Also, let me put a plug in for Monster Summoning I. With our rather small party with only one meatshield, we need redshirts.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 5, 2009 13:07:12 GMT -5
I thought you get to discover a spell for each new spell slot you gain as you advance. So at 5th level you would have been able to discover at most 4 1st, 2 2nd and 1 3rd level spell. So far Kazan has only discovered his 3rd level spell while Morvan has used both of his 2nd level spells as well as some 1st level spells (which were lost). You have to make 2 successful rolls to first discover it and second to transcribe. I don't know if you fail your first roll if you can still try to discover another spell. I don't know if you get to count your additional spells based on intelligence towards additional discoveries. Kazan is certainly in a better position to discover his 1st and 2nd level spells because he hasn't previously had access to spell ink.
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Post by venger on Jun 5, 2009 15:42:09 GMT -5
DMG says: (emphasis added)
Reads to me like everytime you gain an experience level you can roll to discover a new spell.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 6, 2009 17:23:23 GMT -5
DMG says: (emphasis added) Reads to me like everytime you gain an experience level you can roll to discover a new spell. Does that mean "use it or lose it"? That's clearly not the way we've been doing it.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jun 6, 2009 22:12:37 GMT -5
By the book it means use it or lose it. We've been playing that you gain one per level, you don't lose it, but you have to roll for it. If you blow your roll, you are out of luck.
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Post by Wolfgar on Nov 24, 2009 10:18:48 GMT -5
I added the spellbooks we got from Black Towen. There are still some scrolls to add.
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Post by venger on Nov 24, 2009 12:21:50 GMT -5
Somehow I remembered that Beckon is the reverse of the 5th level UA magic-user spell "Dismissal."
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Post by Wolfgar on Nov 24, 2009 13:17:33 GMT -5
Thanks.
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Post by venger on Nov 24, 2009 14:42:34 GMT -5
Scroll @ 15th level w/:
Leomund's Secret Chest Otiluke's Resilient Sphere Otiluke's Freezing Sphere Melf's Minute Meteors Ensnarement
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Post by Ginger on Nov 24, 2009 16:26:00 GMT -5
Maybe discovering Strength would be helpful to have in reserve. We're rather dependent on our exceptional strength, and a shadow attack or something massively encumbers the party.
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Post by Wolfgar on Apr 8, 2010 7:47:54 GMT -5
Updated for destroyed spellbook. Added Kazan's new spellbook with spells transcribed from scrolls.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 21, 2010 11:07:37 GMT -5
Wanna update this? I have no idea what's been lost or gained.
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Post by Wolfgar on Jun 21, 2010 11:36:36 GMT -5
Updated. It is ridiculous that we have never had a chance to consolidate our spells. There has been no time and no access to the resources we have needed.
I didn't think Morvan having all of the high level scrolls would be a liability. I thought he was supposed to hang back and avoid the big blasts.
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Post by venger on Jun 21, 2010 11:42:35 GMT -5
If the Orb of Power is any good, maybe we can reverse time to get those scrolls back. And all our magic weapons that got destroyed by those energy spheres. And Morvan. And Kimball. And Cullen...
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