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Post by Ginger on Jul 13, 2006 22:06:15 GMT -5
The spell will not function with any other form of magical protection. What does "function with" mean here? If someone has bracers on, they wouldn't be active while the spell was functioning, so they wouldn't be functioning with the spell. The same seems true for magical armor of AC 3 or worse. Also, what counts as magical protection? Does that include prayer? Could you have the armor spell cast under phantasmal armor, such that armor would take effect after the phantom armor was dispelled?
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jul 13, 2006 22:17:58 GMT -5
I would interpret this along the same lines as a ring of protection or cloak of protection and magical armor. A ring or cloak of protection does not function, for the sake of AC, when magical armor is worn, regardless of the armor. For example, leather armor +1 would negate the effects of a ring of protection +5 even though the final AC would be higher. So, if you have magical armor, bracers of AC X, ring or cloak of protection on, or the armor spell, I suppose, phantom armor doesn't function.
Since the spell claims it doesn't function period, unlike the description of a ring of protection where you still keep your save bonus, I think you wouldn't get the phantom HPs either.
I don't think prayer is intended as magical protection, but I'll think about it.
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Post by Dell on Jul 14, 2006 9:47:52 GMT -5
How about the "disbelief" aspect of the Phantom Armor? If someone successfully saves against the armor, does it just disappear?
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jul 14, 2006 12:57:04 GMT -5
I'd imagine that the phantom armor is made of demi-shadow or shadow-stuff, and as such is not disbelievable (is that even a word?).
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Post by Ginger on Jul 14, 2006 13:08:30 GMT -5
I presume you'd get to save for disbelief if someone ran around the corner and all of the sudden had plate mail on. The spell description specifically mentions that rust monsters don't work on it and how that would likely trigger a disbelief check.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jul 14, 2006 13:23:48 GMT -5
I imagine it to be rather sci-fi in look, a set of dark smoke armor plates that hangs on the body. Because its not metal, rust monsters don't eat it. Since you gain a HP/level of caster, I had assumed that it had some tangible manifestation of the spell for damage absorption purposes.
If you want it to look like platemail and be disbelievable (it's a word now!), I'm happy to do so.
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Post by Dell on Jul 14, 2006 14:01:39 GMT -5
If you want it to look like platemail and be disbelievable (it's a word now!), I'm happy to do so. It specifies in the spell description that it is dispelled if it is "actively disbelieved." I assume that means you have to disbelieve as your one of your two actions in the round, or maybe the whole round. But it's unlikely to come up, unless we see San or Dredd in plate mail.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Jul 14, 2006 14:24:00 GMT -5
Well there you have it! Don't disbelieve Pfiffwin's armor then!
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Post by Ginger on Sept 3, 2007 21:39:03 GMT -5
Will Jasper be able to apply his DEX bonus if he's wearing Phantom Armor?
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Post by Wolfgar on Sept 3, 2007 21:58:00 GMT -5
Pfiffwin is allowed to so I don't know why Jasper would not.
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Post by Ginger on Sept 3, 2007 22:18:12 GMT -5
Pfiffwin is allowed to so I don't know why Jasper would not. Because he's a monk, and and thus can't do most good or helpful things that other people can do. :) BTB, monks can never gain an AC bonus from armor, ever. We've houseruled that so he can use his AC bonus subtracted from AC 10 if that's better than his monk bonus. The logic seems to be that a monk either uses his "innate monk armor" or is armored like a regular person who applies a DEX bonus. That suggests he can use his DEX if he's using illusionary armor.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Sept 4, 2007 21:16:26 GMT -5
By the book, Jasper can not use his DEX bonus in combination with magical armor. A monk with an 18 DEX wearing Bracers of AC 2 has an AC of 2.
We've house-ruled a loophole for monks to get their DEX bonus at low level. A monk only gains his DEX bonus to AC if his AC would be higher than AC 10 minus the DEX bonus. Its to enhance monk survivability at low levels, not high ones.
So, I'd say no.
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Post by sam on Sept 5, 2007 17:25:39 GMT -5
Ok i know this really isn't the point of what's going on in this thread, but what is the difference between winthrop casting an armor spell on say Samantha, and Pfiffwin's Phantom armor...I dont really get it.
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Post by venger on Sept 5, 2007 17:47:54 GMT -5
Ok i know this really isn't the point of what's going on in this thread, but what is the difference between winthrop casting an armor spell on say Samantha, and Pfiffwin's Phantom armor...I dont really get it. They are two completely different spells. With different effects...
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Post by sam on Sept 5, 2007 17:52:47 GMT -5
I understand the spells are different. What i dont understand is whether as a magic-user i can use phantom armor in lieu of always having to ask winthrop to cast a spell on me, because as i said earlier, i have a poor armor class.
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Post by venger on Sept 5, 2007 18:08:10 GMT -5
I understand the spells are different. What i dont understand is whether as a magic-user i can use phantom armor in lieu of always having to ask winthrop to cast a spell on me, because as i said earlier, i have a poor armor class. The main difference between the spells is that one is a magic-user spell and one is an illusionist spell. A magic-user cannot cast illusionist spells unless they are also magic-user spells. Like invisibility. Unfortunately Phantom Armor is uniquely illusionist.
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Post by Wolfgar on Sept 5, 2007 18:55:59 GMT -5
Pfiffwin is happy to cast Phantom Armor on anyone who wants it. The Company can foot the bill and Winthrop can keep the extra material in his chest. He can do 5 first level spells a day which should cover most everyone who wants one. Just ask before we set out.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Sept 5, 2007 20:32:27 GMT -5
I understand the spells are different. What i dont understand is whether as a magic-user i can use phantom armor in lieu of always having to ask winthrop to cast a spell on me, because as i said earlier, i have a poor armor class. Armor is a 1st level magic-user spell. Assuming you have it in your spellbook or you have access to another person's spellbook that contains it, you can cast it yourself. The main difference is in how long the armor spell will last. From Winthrop, it will last until you take 19 HP damage. From you, it will last until you take 13 HP damage. Phantom Armor is a 1st level illusionist spell. Only illusionists, or multiclass characters who have illusionist as one of their classes, can cast it. Since you are not an illusionist, you can't cast it.
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Post by sam on Sept 6, 2007 18:27:49 GMT -5
I was never trying to cast the spell myself. That thought really hadn't occured to me...But now that i know i can do it, it is something i can look into. Thanks! I just wanted to know if it could be cast on me because i can't wear armor.
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Post by Ginger on Feb 15, 2008 18:50:07 GMT -5
Per the spell descriptions, Armor works on one creature and Phantom Armor works on one person.
What the heck is a person? Are Clift, Jasper and/or Bobwin people? I assume that people are specified to prevent us from having horses (or bears) with phantom armor, but are monsters people?
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Post by venger on Feb 15, 2008 21:13:46 GMT -5
Per the spell descriptions, Armor works on one creature and Phantom Armor works on one person. What the heck is a person? Are Clift, Jasper and/or Bobwin people? I assume that people are specified to prevent us from having horses (or bears) with phantom armor, but are monsters people? As in: Hold Monster vs. Hold Person? Charm Monster vs. Charm Person?
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Post by Ginger on Feb 15, 2008 21:58:22 GMT -5
I didn't think of that, and it sounds reasonable. Here's some more food for thought-
The Hold Person or Mammal spell states
Also, several spells only affect persons. Raise Dead, Resurrection, Reincarnate, Strength, Aid, etc.
Also, I didn't see an expanded list of persons in Unearthed Arcana like there is for giant class creatures.
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