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Post by Dell on Feb 4, 2005 9:35:06 GMT -5
I was revising my encumberance again, and find that I really need to know exactly how much can fit into a backpack, large sack, etc. The internet sources that I've been using differ in their interpretations: www.dragonsfoot.org/fe/articles/equipment.phpwww.mjyoung.net/dungeon/char/step020.htmlThe Dragonsfoot article seems decent for some things, but the large and small sack sizes are clearly off. The MJYoung site seems more accurate to me, with the exception of that first backpack listing. I recommend we use the MJ Young capacities, only eliminate the first listing of backpack - so the standard backpack would be what that page calls a "halfpack" with a capacity of 600gp or 60 pounds. The only thing I can find that specifically mentions the carrying capacity of anything is in Unearthed Arcana regarding the encumbrance of spellbooks, and that section makes it clear that a large sack has greater volume than a backpack does. Any opinions on this? Note that the site also provides measurements and volumes for these things, making it a little easier to figure out exactly what can fit and what can't.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Feb 7, 2005 21:04:02 GMT -5
The official numbers are:
Small Pouch/Purse Volume: 1/4 cu. ft., G.P. Equiv: 25gp Large Pouch: 1/2 cu ft., 50gp Small sack/tied shirt: 1 cu ft., 100gp Backpack: 3 cu. ft, 300 gp Large sack: 4 cu. ft., 400gp
The large sack and small sack can be found on p. 225 of the DMG. The others are found in the insert in the original "goldenrod" character sheets.
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Post by Dell on Feb 8, 2005 10:35:44 GMT -5
Does that mean that spellbooks only count for their weight when in a sack or backpack, and not their encumbrance? It says you can get a standard spellbook (150 gp weight, 450 gp encumberance) into a backpack or large sack. Also, you can fit five travelling spellbooks into a backpack (150 gp weight, 300 gp encumbrance) and ten into a large sack (300 gp weight, 600 gp encumbrance.)
The math works using weight, but by encumbrance the backpack and large sack would have to be bigger. Either that, or spellbooks would be some kind of special exception.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Feb 9, 2005 8:19:03 GMT -5
Rather than throw out the information we have on carrying capacity, let's make spellbooks the exception.
Let's approximate as well that a set of saddlebags is the equivalent of two large sacks.
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Post by Dead Greyhawk on Aug 13, 2006 18:50:55 GMT -5
I've got some data on the logistics of gold storage, from www.taxfreegold.co.uk/storingyourgold.html . They discuss the storage of Krugerrands, which are a good model for the Gygaxian GP. The website claims "...it is easy to estimate that about ... 9,000 krugerrands would occupy about 1 cubic foot of space. ... One tonne of gold [2,200 lbs or 22,000 GP equivalent] would have a volume of 51,760 cubic centimetres, or a cube 37.27 cms square (approximately 15 inches) [or 2 cubic feet]." From this we can see that the best packing of gold coins yields a lost void space of about 2,000 GP relative to the absolute volume. This is the difference between a solid block of the metal and the best packing of the coins. With this in hand, we can use the 9,000 GP per cubic foot number for magical (and non-magical containers) making the acknowledged inaccurate assumption that the best packing for smaller coins (like silver pieces) scales directely with its gold piece value equivalent. So, Dell's Pouch of Holding, which is half the size of the smallest Bag of Holding, can hold 125 pounds (1,250 GP) or 15 cubic feet of material. 15 cubic feet of material is equal to 135,000 GP potential encumbrance space, so the weight limit is highly determining. Winthrop's Leomund's Chest is 12 cubic feet in size. Thus, it can contain 108,000 GP encumbrance equivalent. As far as I can tell in the spell description, there is no weight limit, so long as the chest is not lifted. I think the 9,000 GP / cubic foot number can be used to calculate volume encumbrance for spaces as well. So, if a four foot statue is retrieved, its encumbrance would be on the order of 36,000 GP (4 cubic feet) for storage purposes. This is a meaningless calculation in terms of personal encumbrance, where weight plays a much bigger role than volume. I imagine this to be used when considering the logistics of your magical storage.
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